2016 USA Presidential Candidates

[KILROY]

No, I agree with you that each President has done something for this country, but then they also did something that wasn't for this country.

I could go into many details with the past 4 or 5 Presidents, as could anyone who was around during these terms, but we would be here for a very long time debating and would have to start a new forum...LOL.

As for Bush and Obama, both have positives and negatives towards their roles in office. Each had to overcome something that was happening during their term in that office in which the decisions made could have been the right or wrong ones. And again, we could go into a very lengthy discussion for each decision made and be here forever.

That is why I don't vote, never had, and never will. I have my life, my job, and a future that I can live with no matter who is in office. This was something I did and built myself without the aid of a political official in office. That's what makes this country so great, you can make your own life with your own decisions.

[perrinoia]

True, but you can potentially control what options you're given by voting... Theoretically speaking, of course.

I'm sure you've witnessed more presidents than me, and I would be interested to hear your opinions of them. I don't think we need a whole new forum to contain this discussion... This thread should suffice.

• The first I remember is George Herbert Bush... I remember his re-election. I thought he was an OK president, but I was just a kid, so I didn't know much.
• I thought Bill Clinton was great, and was highly entertained by his scandal and how upset it made his critics despite the fact that it didn't matter, at all.
• George Washington Bush was the first president I thought I could beat in a game of tic-tac-toe... I thought he was a moron when he announced his candidacy, and knew he was going to attack the wrong country in response to 9/11 before he did.
• I had high hopes for Barack Obama, and while he's delivered everything he promised... It's not quite what I had in mind.

[KILROY]

No, I think I will stay out of the is conversation that "will" turn into a debate with anyone, but I see and respect your opinions.

[perrinoia]

That's disappointing.

[perrinoia]

Republicans Delegates Vote %
Cruz 8 27.60%
Trump 7 24.30%
Rubio 7 23.10%
Carson 3 9.30%
Paul 1 4.50%
Bush 1 2.80%
Fiorina 1 1.90%
Kasich 1 1.90%
Huckabee 0 1.80%
Christie 0 1.80%
Santorum 0 1%
Gilmore 0 0%

Democrats Delegates Vote %
Clinton 23 49.90%
Sanders 21 49.60%
O'Malley 0 0.60%

I'm going to laugh my ass off if Ted Cruz wins the whole thing and Trump demands to see his birth certificate.

I'm really happy Trump didn't win, but disappointed he got any votes at all. He truly is a despicable person, and the 7 delegates who voted for him must be despicable too.

Out of all the Republican candidates, I think I hate Mark Rubio the least, so I'm happy he's in the top 3, but sad he's below Trump. I mean, seriously, why would people vote for Trump? He's not even a real Republican!

I'm happy to see the rest of the Republican candidates have no chance, but still have to ask, how the fuck are they not getting more votes than Trump?

I'm pleasantly surprised that Clinton has any competition, let alone that close. I'm not morally convinced that socialism is a good thing, but I am poor, so theoretically, I'll reap the benefits of a socialist in office.

I'm not surprised at all that O'Malley got less than 1%, since he hasn't voiced a single original idea in his life time. If someone made a movie about this election, O'Malley's character would be played by a parrot. And not the intelligent animated kind, either... I'm talking an ordinary real life bird that repeats whatever it hears, without knowing what it means.

PS: Crow, can you add bbcode for making tables/spreadsheets to the forums? Example: https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtop ... 5#p4078025

[Azul]

All the republicans are terrible. No offense to any of you conservatives. They don't have a single compelling leader out of the whole lot. Rubio is a political robot and yes man to the lobbyists. Voting for Rubio means voting for big corporations who could care less about the average American or the future of the country.

I'm going Sanders because despite his socialism he at least is the only candidate out of the 19 that focuses on education and technology. We are getting so far behind China and Japan in terms of education and technology; but even if we were ahead of them, wouldn't you want to see big advancements in society to our space program and clean, sustainable energy? I'm not saying that by electing Sanders we will see personal spacecraft so you can fly to work and stuff, but it would be nice to get back on that path of wondering what advancements the world will take in the next 100 years.

[{LS}RePublic]

Trump 2016

[perrinoia]

All the republicans are terrible. No offense to any of you conservatives. They don't have a single compelling leader out of the whole lot. Rubio is a political robot and yes man to the lobbyists. Voting for Rubio means voting for big corporations who could care less about the average American or the future of the country.

I'm going Sanders because despite his socialism he at least is the only candidate out of the 19 that focuses on education and technology. We are getting so far behind China and Japan in terms of education and technology; but even if we were ahead of them, wouldn't you want to see big advancements in society to our space program and clean, sustainable energy? I'm not saying that by electing Sanders we will see personal spacecraft so you can fly to work and stuff, but it would be nice to get back on that path of wondering what advancements the world will take in the next 100 years.

That's pretty much my thought process as well. Even though I consider myself fiscally conservative, the Republican party merely claims to be fiscally conservative during elections, but go on a shopping spree with my money like an angry ex with my credit card, once elected.

I also consider myself liberal or progressive on the hot button topics like gay marriage and abortions... The only republican candidate to ever support those views flip flopped when he announced his multi-billion dollar candidacy.

I'm also fully against war, specifically with China, Iran, North Korea, and Russia. Despite the fact that I don't like the behavior of any of those 4 countries, I dislike the behavior of ours, since Bush Jr, more. We are not the world police. That is NATO's job, and we should support them, not demand that they support us, as we overthrow regimes we don't like, replacing them with anarchy and terrorists, who want revenge. That's almost word for word, something Sanders said, and I've been saying it for years.

Most fiscal conservatives believe government is defective, therefor they want to shrink it until it is either non-existent, or at least not big enough to cause any damage. We have public schools, because at some point, the majority of Americans said we as a community should provide education for our citizens. The problem with public schools, is that not everyone agrees on what should be taught, or how. Personally, I believe we should leave the decisions of how to teach up to the experts (teachers). Stop standardized testing, which is an expensive and ineffective waste of time. And when it comes to what they should/shouldn't teach, I think we should concentrate on preparing children for life. For instance, if you teach wilderness survival to every student, the only ones who will require government assistance as adults are the disabled and maybe those who failed the survival courses...

So, the basic idea is, the more you spend on education today, the less you spend on government assistance, 12 years later.

Currently, middle school is a massive transitional period for kids. You go from being a dependent kid, to a defiant asshole, to an independent teen, in 3 years. That's why I think 7th grade should be your final survival test. Send those little assholes out into the wild. Make em walk the Appalachian trail, or something like that, and if they survive without assistance for a year, they can be 8th graders. So after 6 years of basic survival, if you can survive on your own, you get 6 more years of public education that prepares you for the workforce. Funding for the first 6 years of public school should come primarily from taxing parents, while funding for the second 6 years should come primarily from employers. The funding could either gradually transition over the 12 years or completely flip flop in the middle. Parents pay for 100% of pre-school, and employers pay for 100% of college (by providing scholarships to worthy students).

Also, if teens are capable of surviving on their own, they should also be qualified to babysit. First-aid/CPR and food safety should be included in those first 6 years of survival courses... Every teen should be qualified to babysit, lifeguard, or serve food. So that's 3 different fields in the workforce teens can work while they are in their final 6 years of public school.

By the time they graduate public schools, they should be prepared for whatever field of work they intend to work. I don't imagine employers will provide scholarships to students who change their majors, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed. Since they've been qualified to work since surviving 7th grade, they should be able to afford to change majors if they work hard enough for it. If not, hopefully they have generous parents or grandparents.

Anyway, that's my solution for all of Americans problems... I'd run for president on that platform, but I don't think I can talk louder than Trump, let alone any of the other candidates.