Windows 10 Privacy Concerns
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https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/why-m ... 00279.html
TLDR; Windows 10 is only available for free until July 26th.
The article reiterates what I've been saying about the changing business model... Apple and Google have sold significantly more phones than Microsoft and are both bragging about how much revenue their app stores generate. Microsoft wants in, but since their customer base was dwindling, they made an extreme decision to give away Windows for free. They're gambling that the free-for-all will drive hoards of people into their app store, and replace, if not out-pace their lost revenue.
The question is what will happen after July 26th.... Will they extend the free offer, go back to selling Windows, or opt for a subscription fee? I highly doubt that they'll go back to selling windows because that ship has sailed... They can't compete with Apple and Google if they go back to selling Windows. I also doubt they'll implement subscription fees for the usage of Windows, however I wouldn't be surprised if they implemented subscription fees for updates and tech support, which actually makes sense.
Personally, I chose to download Windows 10 ASAP for several reasons.
TLDR; Windows 10 is only available for free until July 26th.
The article reiterates what I've been saying about the changing business model... Apple and Google have sold significantly more phones than Microsoft and are both bragging about how much revenue their app stores generate. Microsoft wants in, but since their customer base was dwindling, they made an extreme decision to give away Windows for free. They're gambling that the free-for-all will drive hoards of people into their app store, and replace, if not out-pace their lost revenue.
The question is what will happen after July 26th.... Will they extend the free offer, go back to selling Windows, or opt for a subscription fee? I highly doubt that they'll go back to selling windows because that ship has sailed... They can't compete with Apple and Google if they go back to selling Windows. I also doubt they'll implement subscription fees for the usage of Windows, however I wouldn't be surprised if they implemented subscription fees for updates and tech support, which actually makes sense.
Personally, I chose to download Windows 10 ASAP for several reasons.
- Financially, it makes sense, because it's free.
- Microsoft is cutting support for older operating systems, and I wanted to get my foot in the door before they potentially changed their minds. Even if the OS was crap, it wouldn't have cost me anything but time... The time it took me to download/install/try it...
- Microsoft has completely shifted their focus from new product development, to support for their newest products. This was the biggest selling point for me, as I have a real disdain for companies that don't support their products, after getting laid-off by a company that didn't appreciate the support I provided for them.
- I have no illusions of privacy concerns. I'm not using my computers to break any laws, so I don't care if Bill Gates sees every key I stroke. In fact, the more they know how I use my computer, the better they'll be able to make it for me (hopefully).
- Lastly, I'm gambling that it will take off, and there will be a market for support, and I'll be very familiar with it when that happens.
Re: Windows 10 Privacy Concerns
I hear you on what your saying.
The VP of Microsoft just took a very long vacation, in which he is using all the competitors phones and devices to see how and what they can do to improve on their own equipment.
I just don't support a company that drops support for existing services that work, and the majority consensus likes what they already have. Most relaying they love their Windows 7. MS can improve what they already have, but they would not be making a nice profit off it with just upgrades, so they bring out new items. Now, I understand the companies need to make a profit to stay afloat, but they are abandoning the people that are spending their hard earned money to keep them afloat.
Windows 10 will need to make a profit for them somehow in order to keep them in business, and by them dropping support for existing operating systems, is trying to force the consumer to switch. My company wasn't at all impressed with Windows 10 for business use, and with MS releasing it as early as they did with all the holes in it, my companies IT Dept. didn't recommend it for any business.
As for privacy, you are correct about that, anyone who uses the internet does NOT have any privacy, period. You are being watched by someone, somehow, always. Especially my company. They see everything, even what people think are the big companies. Anything that goes over the internet is seen. This goes for cell phones and land lines phones also. Anything electronic is being monitored. The only thing you can get away with for communication, is by word of mouth, hand written letter, or sign language. Even this site with it's post's is being monitored, not only by Gator the host, but MS, and then my company.
Like I said in the past, we will eventually all have to switch to some new OS at some point. I just don't like being forced into it. I'm old school, I personally don't like some of the things Windows 10 has, right now. They may change later, or maybe not, but for now, my choice is to stay away, and stay with what I already have that works, and then switch to something later that will work for my needs. I hope for MS sake that with these new business ethics they are starting to use, that it keeps them in good standing with the consumer, or this could be their downfall, time will tell, but as you stated, it's free for now, but eventually they will have to charge for something. Which means it's not FREE, you will end up paying somehow. With this being how Apple is doing business also, I don't use them either.
Now that you have 10 installed and they will start charging for something...what happens when you don't want to pay for what they will be charging you for. You can't go back to your old OS, they stopped support for it. And with them stopping support for older stuff, tells me they DON'T support their products. With them switching to a pay-as-you-go theme now, like Apple. It can make or break them.
I'm not one of those people who go out and purchase a new vehicle every so many years. I still have vehicles that run and get me where I need to go. My oldest being a 1959 Triumph Bonneville T120 modified bike. I live by one of my motto's: KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid). This has gotten me to where I am today with a nice comfortable living, and I plan on being here for the long run.
The VP of Microsoft just took a very long vacation, in which he is using all the competitors phones and devices to see how and what they can do to improve on their own equipment.
I just don't support a company that drops support for existing services that work, and the majority consensus likes what they already have. Most relaying they love their Windows 7. MS can improve what they already have, but they would not be making a nice profit off it with just upgrades, so they bring out new items. Now, I understand the companies need to make a profit to stay afloat, but they are abandoning the people that are spending their hard earned money to keep them afloat.
Windows 10 will need to make a profit for them somehow in order to keep them in business, and by them dropping support for existing operating systems, is trying to force the consumer to switch. My company wasn't at all impressed with Windows 10 for business use, and with MS releasing it as early as they did with all the holes in it, my companies IT Dept. didn't recommend it for any business.
As for privacy, you are correct about that, anyone who uses the internet does NOT have any privacy, period. You are being watched by someone, somehow, always. Especially my company. They see everything, even what people think are the big companies. Anything that goes over the internet is seen. This goes for cell phones and land lines phones also. Anything electronic is being monitored. The only thing you can get away with for communication, is by word of mouth, hand written letter, or sign language. Even this site with it's post's is being monitored, not only by Gator the host, but MS, and then my company.
Like I said in the past, we will eventually all have to switch to some new OS at some point. I just don't like being forced into it. I'm old school, I personally don't like some of the things Windows 10 has, right now. They may change later, or maybe not, but for now, my choice is to stay away, and stay with what I already have that works, and then switch to something later that will work for my needs. I hope for MS sake that with these new business ethics they are starting to use, that it keeps them in good standing with the consumer, or this could be their downfall, time will tell, but as you stated, it's free for now, but eventually they will have to charge for something. Which means it's not FREE, you will end up paying somehow. With this being how Apple is doing business also, I don't use them either.
Now that you have 10 installed and they will start charging for something...what happens when you don't want to pay for what they will be charging you for. You can't go back to your old OS, they stopped support for it. And with them stopping support for older stuff, tells me they DON'T support their products. With them switching to a pay-as-you-go theme now, like Apple. It can make or break them.
I'm not one of those people who go out and purchase a new vehicle every so many years. I still have vehicles that run and get me where I need to go. My oldest being a 1959 Triumph Bonneville T120 modified bike. I live by one of my motto's: KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid). This has gotten me to where I am today with a nice comfortable living, and I plan on being here for the long run.
Re: Windows 10 Privacy Concerns
So, I was gonna agree with you, and say they should have just put the app store and a microsoft.net login, in an update for windows 7 and then make Windows 7 free... But Windows 7 only works on 2 brands of processors (AMD and Intel), while Windows 10 also works on ARM and a few others, I think... Which means instead of having separate operating systems for your phone and your PC, you can have the same OS, with the same apps, same logins, etc...
Also, in your opinion, they don't support their old products, but in my opinion, you're talking about the old failing business model.
They've always dropped support for old products when they launched new ones... I'm not saying that they dropped support for XP the moment they released Vista, but they certainly discussed when it would be appropriate... When you sell software for a one time fee, you can't afford to support it forever.
They are currently giving it away for free, and while that might change, we're all hoping the app store earns enough to keep the OS free. Take Office 365, for instance... I don't need it. I have several older versions of Office I could install, and one that is currently installed... But it's only 6 or 7 dollars a month, and it does come with decent features, such as cloud storage and skype minutes. That subscription fee is a really fair price... It's less per year than purchasing a new version out-right, but it's more than what you'd pay if you purchased a new version every other year.
So as long as the OS stays free, and they make enough money from office and third party apps, it's a good deal for everyone.
PS: Are you aware that Microsoft Hololens runs Windows 10? They literally installed a full PC operating system on a pair of glasses. If that's not innovative, I don't know what is? No one else has done that... The only other wearable smart device that doesn't require a companion phone is the galaxy gear watch... But the battery life is so short, you'll need to have a backup phone, anyway.
Also, in your opinion, they don't support their old products, but in my opinion, you're talking about the old failing business model.
They've always dropped support for old products when they launched new ones... I'm not saying that they dropped support for XP the moment they released Vista, but they certainly discussed when it would be appropriate... When you sell software for a one time fee, you can't afford to support it forever.
They are currently giving it away for free, and while that might change, we're all hoping the app store earns enough to keep the OS free. Take Office 365, for instance... I don't need it. I have several older versions of Office I could install, and one that is currently installed... But it's only 6 or 7 dollars a month, and it does come with decent features, such as cloud storage and skype minutes. That subscription fee is a really fair price... It's less per year than purchasing a new version out-right, but it's more than what you'd pay if you purchased a new version every other year.
So as long as the OS stays free, and they make enough money from office and third party apps, it's a good deal for everyone.
PS: Are you aware that Microsoft Hololens runs Windows 10? They literally installed a full PC operating system on a pair of glasses. If that's not innovative, I don't know what is? No one else has done that... The only other wearable smart device that doesn't require a companion phone is the galaxy gear watch... But the battery life is so short, you'll need to have a backup phone, anyway.
Re: Windows 10 Privacy Concerns
Well, what I was saying is that any OS can be modified to work with any system. They are just not putting in an effort to make it to that. They are dropping support to bring out new products to make a profit to stay afloat. This I understand, but they are not listening to what the majority of the public already likes with the products they have already introduced. And yes, that was my point in supporting software, you can't make a profit to stay in business also.
As for Office 365, I can live without it, I have previous programs that work just as well and do everything that Office 365 does. As for paying for an App, I don't do this. I already get flooded with things that I have to make payments on just to live. As for cloud storage, I don't do this, never have, never will, it's not secure enough, and will never be secure enough. Your putting your private material on a server hosted by a company that will get hacked eventually and you will loose all your information. Skype, don't use it. Don't need to. In business, if you need to attend a meeting, but are not able to be present, you can monitor it via an open phone line. You don't need to be seen to be heard.
As for the OS staying free, you know that won't happen, they are trying to get everyone on it for a very particular reason, which they are not relaying to anyone, and it's to charge for something at some point, and you won't have a choice, but to pay it to continue to keep using the OS. I don't blame them for doing this, this is a very good marketing strategy to keep them making a profit to stay in business, but I don't want to become one of the statistics that falls for their ploy.
As for the update of equipment, I like to Keep It Simple Stupid. Look what phone texting has caused in the Nation now, deaths by vehicle and new laws to try to put a stop to updated equipment that are now killing people.
As for Office 365, I can live without it, I have previous programs that work just as well and do everything that Office 365 does. As for paying for an App, I don't do this. I already get flooded with things that I have to make payments on just to live. As for cloud storage, I don't do this, never have, never will, it's not secure enough, and will never be secure enough. Your putting your private material on a server hosted by a company that will get hacked eventually and you will loose all your information. Skype, don't use it. Don't need to. In business, if you need to attend a meeting, but are not able to be present, you can monitor it via an open phone line. You don't need to be seen to be heard.
As for the OS staying free, you know that won't happen, they are trying to get everyone on it for a very particular reason, which they are not relaying to anyone, and it's to charge for something at some point, and you won't have a choice, but to pay it to continue to keep using the OS. I don't blame them for doing this, this is a very good marketing strategy to keep them making a profit to stay in business, but I don't want to become one of the statistics that falls for their ploy.
As for the update of equipment, I like to Keep It Simple Stupid. Look what phone texting has caused in the Nation now, deaths by vehicle and new laws to try to put a stop to updated equipment that are now killing people.
Re: Windows 10 Privacy Concerns
They have definitely relayed why they are giving away Windows 10 for free. I've said it a few times in this thread, already. They are hoping to make income from the app store just like google and apple do.
Android is free, and so are all of google's apps in the app store. But google makes a cut of every 3rd party app sold in the Play Store.
iOS is not available for free, but does come on all of their mobile devices. Apple also makes a cut of every 3rd party app in their app store, and also sells their own apps in the store.
Windows 10 is currently free, but Microsoft is reserving the right to change that if their store doesn't produce income like Google and Apple's. Their first party apps are subscription based, and they make a cut off 3rd party app sales. They also provide excellent support to app developers who want to convert their iOS and Android apps for Windows. The API is mostly compatible with iOS and Android apps out of the box, but there is a whole department dedicated to assisting with ongoing compatibility issues.
Also, you keep saying that I can't go back to an older OS because it's not supported. Lack of support and/or licenses have never stopped me from installing an old version of Windows before... Why would it stop me now? Especially considering there's an app in the start menu that will reinstall my old OS for me... Theoretically, I don't even have to dig out my old DVD's.
Microsoft will make a decision regarding the cost of Windows 10 this summer, and that decision will be entirely based on income from the app store... So those are the important numbers to pay attention in the first quarter of this year.
I don't actually use Microsoft's cloud storage, but I do use Google's. It's nice to know that if I run out of space on my Google Drive, I can start storing stuff in One-Drive. I have used skype for business before. We used it for instant messenger and chat rooms, to keep all of the tech support people aware of call trends. But mostly, I use skype to keep in contact with friends, and definitely prefer to see the face of the person I'm talking to, so it's easier to tell when they're being sarcastic. If I had an iphone, I'd probably use facetime instead, but I don't. I've considered using facebook's video chat feature on occasion, too.
Again, the big difference between us is privacy concerns, which I find funny since we both agree that internet privacy doesn't exist. In fact, every time I read one of your posts, I imagine a guy who looks like the uni-bomber working in a high tech office, possibly with an aluminum foil hat. This mental image makes me smile, so thanks for putting a smile on my face every day.
Android is free, and so are all of google's apps in the app store. But google makes a cut of every 3rd party app sold in the Play Store.
iOS is not available for free, but does come on all of their mobile devices. Apple also makes a cut of every 3rd party app in their app store, and also sells their own apps in the store.
Windows 10 is currently free, but Microsoft is reserving the right to change that if their store doesn't produce income like Google and Apple's. Their first party apps are subscription based, and they make a cut off 3rd party app sales. They also provide excellent support to app developers who want to convert their iOS and Android apps for Windows. The API is mostly compatible with iOS and Android apps out of the box, but there is a whole department dedicated to assisting with ongoing compatibility issues.
Also, you keep saying that I can't go back to an older OS because it's not supported. Lack of support and/or licenses have never stopped me from installing an old version of Windows before... Why would it stop me now? Especially considering there's an app in the start menu that will reinstall my old OS for me... Theoretically, I don't even have to dig out my old DVD's.
Microsoft will make a decision regarding the cost of Windows 10 this summer, and that decision will be entirely based on income from the app store... So those are the important numbers to pay attention in the first quarter of this year.
I don't actually use Microsoft's cloud storage, but I do use Google's. It's nice to know that if I run out of space on my Google Drive, I can start storing stuff in One-Drive. I have used skype for business before. We used it for instant messenger and chat rooms, to keep all of the tech support people aware of call trends. But mostly, I use skype to keep in contact with friends, and definitely prefer to see the face of the person I'm talking to, so it's easier to tell when they're being sarcastic. If I had an iphone, I'd probably use facetime instead, but I don't. I've considered using facebook's video chat feature on occasion, too.
Again, the big difference between us is privacy concerns, which I find funny since we both agree that internet privacy doesn't exist. In fact, every time I read one of your posts, I imagine a guy who looks like the uni-bomber working in a high tech office, possibly with an aluminum foil hat. This mental image makes me smile, so thanks for putting a smile on my face every day.
Re: Windows 10 Privacy Concerns
ROFL....almost correct, think of the someone wearing a pirate hat insteadAgain, the big difference between us is privacy concerns, which I find funny since we both agree that internet privacy doesn't exist. In fact, every time I read one of your posts, I imagine a guy who looks like the uni-bomber working in a high tech office, possibly with an aluminum foil hat. This mental image makes me smile, so thanks for putting a smile on my face every day.
The reason for privacy.....I don't do pics online, over a phone, computer, nor do I do any voice online due to pretty much my Top Secret Security Clearance. With one, you can't advertise yourself and keep a steady income.
As for downgrading your OS, why would "you". Your the type that likes to keep up to date with the new style, that's obvious with all your past posts. So you downgrading, no.
As for paying for an App to use something, or spend to get something to make things easier to do, like a smartphone, or something hand held to do computing while away from a stationary computer at your home, no, not me. Like I stated, I already pay for usage for necessities, why pay for something when it can be done another way for free. It might take longer, but the savings add up and can be put towards something better.
As for storage, why store information online, that can eventually get hacked. I have enough storage with all the memory sticks, external HD's, and servers in house.
With the cost savings I have done by not spending on this and that, it has allowed me to purchase multiple items that can be used for something else. Like for instance, the multiple vehicles I own. 3 cars, 3 trucks, 1 motorcycle, a road, and mountain bike, couple of kayaks - 2 with motors, a couple of jet ski's, a Kubota Tractor with 8 foot shredder, a full maintenance garage with tools, external storage, and a Cessna TTX at Stinson Airfield. I don't even use city electricity, I'm on solar panels, and the city pays me for my excess electricity that I store in my external battery cells. My closest neighbor is over 4 1/2 acres away, and I live on 8 1/2 acres that is gated with it's own internal/external security cameras. So as you can see, spending of fruitless items is not cost effective.
With your past statements, I think we can agree that Windows 10 will end up costing the consumer to use. This is something I'm not going to spend money on, why? I already have OS's that work for what I need, and when they don't, I have other choices with other companies that I can start to support. With MS changing their business ethics, I hope for their sake they are not cutting their own throat, but they will be loosing old school customer's and businesses with this new market plan. I have already talked to many businesses that I deal with everyday, and they are also not switching to 10 after they tested it out and seeing it not work. Their current OS is better. 10 will not work for business, but it will work for the consumer who will be paying for it's usage eventually. Most of the companies I talked with will be switching to either an Apple based software, or Linux, some already have. What I'm waiting for, is Internet Explorer. I've heard a rumor in where MS is going to do some updates to IE for 10 in which you will have to pay to use particulars on it. If and when this happens, MS is going to loose even more consumers who will be switching to another internet explorer.
Now, is a good time for someone who wants to start up a company to compete with the current companies already out. If they introduce the right product they could blow the competition out of the water and become the new major leader in business.
Re: Windows 10 Privacy Concerns
Why would I? Money... I do like to have the newest stuff, but if I can't afford it, then I can't afford it. I have the option to downgrade, and if I can't afford to keep Windows 10, then I'll use that option. I own multiple copies of older versions of Windows, and I format/reinstall more often than most anyway, and store most of my crap on external media or online, anyway, so I literally could downgrade at any time, whether Microsoft likes it or not.KILROY wrote:As for downgrading your OS, why would "you". Your the type that likes to keep up to date with the new style, that's obvious with all your past posts. So you downgrading, no.
Ditto, but the convenience of being able to upload my resume to google drive, and forward it to any email with my smart phone, upon request, has helped me at least once... LOLKILROY wrote:As for storage, why store information online, that can eventually get hacked. I have enough storage with all the memory sticks, external HD's, and servers in house.
I don't use online storage for anything confidential... I don't really have anything confidential... No dick pics or invention designs... I mean, anytime I think of an invention, I usually post it on an internet forum anyway, because I don't have the means to bring the idea to fruition on my own. Also, the only people who want to see my dick pics aren't the type I'm interested in...
Fucking hell... I'm jealous. So you have a pilot's license? I've always wanted a seaplane. Specifically a Seawind 3000.KILROY wrote:With the cost savings I have done by not spending on this and that, it has allowed me to purchase multiple items that can be used for something else. Like for instance, the multiple vehicles I own. 3 cars, 3 trucks, 1 motorcycle, a road, and mountain bike, couple of kayaks - 2 with motors, a couple of jet ski's, a Kubota Tractor with 8 foot shredder, a full maintenance garage with tools, external storage, and a Cessna TTX at Stinson Airfield. I don't even use city electricity, I'm on solar panels, and the city pays me for my excess electricity that I store in my external battery cells. My closest neighbor is over 4 1/2 acres away, and I live on 8 1/2 acres that is gated with it's own internal/external security cameras. So as you can see, spending of fruitless items is not cost effective.
http://www.planemakers.com/seawind4sale.html
The cheapest one I can find costs roughly 10x what I can afford, which is still ridiculously cheap for a fucking sea plane.
Wrong. I'm very optimistic that the app store will be their new primary source of revenue, and the OS will continue to stay free. You don't have to rent Office 365... There are plenty of free alternatives, such as Open Office or Google Docs. You don't have to buy 3rd party apps... There are plenty of free ones.KILROY wrote:With your past statements, I think we can agree that Windows 10 will end up costing the consumer to use.
That's just ridiculous... IE doesn't even exist anymore. There is no internet explorer exe on any of my Windows 10 PCs. They've replaced it with Edge, which I don't even use, so I've got no idea what features they'd charge a premium for, nor do I care.KILROY wrote:I've heard a rumor in where MS is going to do some updates to IE for 10 in which you will have to pay to use particulars on it. If and when this happens, MS is going to loose even more consumers who will be switching to another internet explorer.
I completely agree with this opinion. This is why Chrome Books and Steam OS exists, but neither of them are going to successfully replace Windows. Apple is best poised to steal Microsoft's customers, but their business model is no better than Microsoft's and you can tell by their unimaginative product designs that they don't give a fuck about usability...KILROY wrote:Now, is a good time for someone who wants to start up a company to compete with the current companies already out. If they introduce the right product they could blow the competition out of the water and become the new major leader in business.
Apple Engineer: Let's make an MP3 player with a massive internal hard drive!
Apple CEO: Great idea.. But instead of putting buttons on it, let's put a fucking steering wheel!
Apple Engineer: OK... I guess we could do that...
The only thing I like about the whole company is the amount of debugging they do before releasing products... But then again, I enjoy beta testing... So I don't mind when Microsoft releases a steaming pile of crap before it's ready, and then I get to tell them how bad it sucks, and they fix it. Try telling Apple how bad their products suck, and see if they do anything at all about it.
Re: Windows 10 Privacy Concerns
The privacy on W10 Does indeed suck. It has "Shadow Drives" or "Shadow Copy"'s of your HDD, specifically so they can nose into your shit.