Windows 10 Privacy Concerns

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Yeah, if I lived near the coast line in Corpus Christi, I would have invested in a seaplane. That site you posted is very interesting. I would like to one day move to some lake side property, and will keep this site for sure!

Google just up'd Apple with sales and stock. Apple stock is around $100 per share, so for Google to do this is pretty interesting.

OK, I have to give it you for the resume statement for good use, but your resume doesn't have to be uploaded to any cloud to be able to forward it...LOL.

I hope your right on the app statement, time will tell.

As for my statement on IE, I probably meant Edge, don't follow 10 stuff too much due to my company and other companies not interested in it.

And, I'm glad there are people out there that like to beta test as yourself does. Helps the companies that do deliver the new goods correct any issues that they may have missed. The only thing I don't like about MS, is the way they do business by releasing a product without completely fixing any issues it has internally. They always release the product to get it out there and then have the majority of society find the problems, report them, so they can apply the fix. In the meantime hackers are already exploiting the issues and the damage has already been done.
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Yeah, I saw the news about Google surpassing Apple this morning. I'm not surprised. Google is far more in touch with what customers want. Probably due to people like me storing all of their ideas on their cloud... LOL

I definitely wish I owned waterfront property for the same reason. Also to store my boat.
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Here, here's some proof that MS has been spying on you for all these years with the patch updates that it has been sending you to download:

KB 2952664 - A secret snooping patch that was offered back in April for Windows 7 users. It adds a program to the Windows Task Scheduler called "DoScheduledTelemetryRun" which sends usage information to MS even for those who have specifically opted out of the MS Customer Experience Improvement Program (CEIP).

KB 2976978 - Issued in June, scans and sends diagnostics to MS from CEIP participants. But the sneaky bit is if you let it scan it automatically signs you up to the CEIP program, which then gives MS full usage tracking rights over your computer.

KB 2977759 - Another diagnostic scanner. This one analyses computers to see whether their hardware is compatible for upgrades to Windows 10 and sends the data to MS. Which leads us nicely onto KB 3035583.

KB 3035583 - Released July 4, 2015 - Nagware which creates four folders on Windows 7 and 8 devices designed to push Windows 10 as the release approaches and after the release urging users to upgrade.

KB 3021917 - Released February 15, 2015 - Performs diagnostics in Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1) in order to determine whether performance issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. Telemetry is sent back to MS for those computers that participate in the CEIP. This update will help MS and it's partners deliver better system performance for customers who are seeking to install the latest Windows operating system.

KB 3022345 - Released May 13, 2015 - Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry. Introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to in-market devices. By applying this service, you can add benefits from the latest version of Windows to systems that have not yet been upgraded. The update also supports applications that are subscribed to Visual Studio Application Insights. (Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1), and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1)

KB 3068708 - Released June 10, 2015 - Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry. Introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices. By applying this service, you can add benefits from the latest version of Windows to systems that have not yet upgraded. The update also supports applications that are subscribed to Visual Studio Application Insights. (Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1), and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1)

KB 3075249 - Released August 17, 2015 - Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7. This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels. (Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1), and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1)

KB 3080149 - Released August 17, 2015 - Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry - This package updates the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices. This service provides benefits from the latest version of Windows to systems that have not yet upgraded. The update also supports applications that are subscribed to Visual Studio Application Insights. (Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1), and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1)

The above are just a few, but there are plenty more. MS has been doing this since the release of Windows 7. Windows 95 and 98 are not included due to MS not understanding how to do this till Win 7's release. Everything you do online is being seen if you are running a MS OS and using it online. With you downloading these updates and installing them on THEIR OS (that you gave them permission to do this when you agreed to their user and license agreements when you turned on your computer and registered it (EULA)) there is nothing you can do about it. They see not only the wording, but anything visually you are seeing on your screen.

That is why when people say MS is spying on you, they actually and really are. That is also why when people say MS is CRAP, they really ARE!!!

This is also why I check every patch update they send out and read IN DETAIL what it does and check it's program coding before I install it on "MY" computer with THEIR OS.

For the sake of argument, I'm going to call these patch updates that MS has been sending the consumer, "spyware". Cause what is "spyware"? From Wikipedia:

Spyware is software that aims to gather information about a person or organization without their knowledge and that may send such information to another entity without the consumer's consent, or that asserts control over a computer without the consumer's knowledge.

MS has had a long history since the release of Windows 7 with how to hide spyware within it's patches and not letting the consumer (YOU) know about it and how it's on your computer, nor can any program find this spyware, due to it being legal by YOU already accepting the license and user agreement.

That is why I am threw with Microsoft, and will not use Windows 10, ever. You can give me the most expensive computer, tablet, phone, glasses, etc. with Windows 10 on it for free and I'll hand it off. I will continue to use my Windows 8.1 without the spyware updates that I did not download to it until the 2023 date will it won't be supported anymore. Then I will switch to Linux, or if another company offers an OS at that time better than Linux.
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You had me at "the sneaky bit". Those pesky little Boolean values that always seem to hide behind a lengthy document full of gibber jabber that only a narcissist would subject themselves to reading.

The one thing I can promise you, is regardless of which OS you have installed on your computer, there is a way for some sneaky bastard to get all up in there and change more than one "sneaky bit".

You, yourself, suggested that we sneak in through the open port tribes uses, in order to sniff around for happy mod.

If that's possible, why not screenshots, or entire filesystems, for that matter?

Again, I must inform you that your entire argument is based on the false assumption that the data on your computer is for your eyes only.

The only way to ensure that, is to put your aluminum foil hat on your computer and completely disconnect it from the internet.

Even then, I read about a virus which could copy itself from an internet connected computer to a disconnected computer, as long as it was within ear shot. The author of the article theorized that the virus broadcast itself similarly to how modems communicate, using the tiny speaker on the motherboard, which chirps when your system can't boot. He couldn't figure out how the disconnected system heard the chirps, as it had no microphone, though.

So now, you've gotta take your aluminum foil hat wearing disconnected PC and place it in a sound proof chamber... But don't stop there, because a chimpanzee with a thumb drive might go in the chamber and fumble around trying to figure out which way the plug fits into the port... it always takes me 3 tries, so you'll have to devise a chimp proof security system on your sound proof chamber.

I mean, seriously... What have you got on there that you're so afraid Microsoft will see?

Do you even realize how ridiculous it is, that you allow Microsoft to upload anything to your PC already, but are to paranoid to even try it on a spare PC?

You haven't made me the slightest bit curious about the sneaky bits in Windows update... But my eyes are ready to jump out of their sockets to figure out what sneaky bits you're protecting...
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SIGH.....what argument are you talking about, that post was to relay what we both previously said about your privacy rights being online. This was to show the others the confirmation of it being true and how it was being done by MS. As for how MS was doing this via the updates, these were verified by Security Companies. So why are you continuing with this and making this a continuous argument?

As for privacy, that can easily be done with a Sat connection, you don't need to be hooked up to the internet, or you could have a line to line connection, that has no activity to the World Wide Web. Privacy is an easy thing to accomplish if you want it. As for myself using Windows 10, I already told you I was not interested, so why so pushy? My company and other companies already looked at it, and determined it was not something for business use and due to the findings, made it an easy decision to drop MS completely for any future use of it's software. Which also helped me in making my decision to not use Windows 10, ever.

Now off topic. STEAM has ordered multiple 100 gig ports with my company to support the massive amount of games it host's via it's servers for gamers online. This order is going to cost them around 25 million to setup to give you an ideal of costs and also to give you a clue of how much they are making with their service in order to pay this new bill of theirs.
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That's just the installation fee?!

I was just trolling you.

I understand and respect your security clearance and desire to retain some modicum of privacy.
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Yeah, that's just the setup fee. The continuing fee to keep just one 100 gig port active is a couple of hundred thousand a month. Not sure on how many they ordered, but it was a bunch, which means they could be spending either 1.5 to 2.5 million a month to stay active.
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Ok, but this is relaying it will stop auto updates. You can choose that via your update screen to not do auto updates, and you can still do updates, just screen them. Microsoft has to relay on their site when you look up the definition of the update what it does, and if it has anything to do with Windows 10 they have to inform you of that in the info. of the update, or they could be looking at violating their own legal policies, and would be looking at paying a very large settlement to a person(s).
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Yup. It's for novices.

Since you're already actively screening all of the updates, you should write/sell an app that does it for others...

Step one: Your app disables auto updates, and periodically checks to make sure they stay off.
Step two: Your app functions as an auto update replacement. Still downloading updates from Microsoft servers, but only ones you personally have approved.
Step three: Profit.
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